Kaido describes what Oden could have been if he had stayed true to his name: a dangerous psycho who was not afraid of casualties. He says Oden is like Whitebeard and Roger, powerful but with a certain softness, because he chose the path that did not harm anybody. Kaido mocks the result: "You are the same!! The fool who dances and dances!!" Oden, naked, mocked, and despised for five years, stands before him with nothing left, not even his family's name's authority. Yet Oden does not regret the choice he made that day. Instead of arguing about the past, he says, "Let's talk about the imminent future, instead."